Posts Tagged ‘WCW’

Summerslam Main Events: Summerslam 1995

Monday, August 9th, 2010

Here's a card that very few people remember and the ones that do hope they forget it.

I thought about doing three bonus matches to highlight the Clique but I really didn't want to watch Helmsley vs. Bob Holly. Please forgive me.

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More with Sporcle

Thursday, July 29th, 2010

http://www.sporcle.com/games/Mikalike/four_horsemen

Hey, it’s a Four Horsemen quiz.  I got 14/15 (counting two bonus answers) and felt kind of stupid having missed one of my favorite targets of vitriol. 

The TNA Hate Thread!

Monday, June 14th, 2010

Not sure why Kyle deleted his own post, but I was going to mock Dixie Carter’s latest folly myself anyway. 

As a word to the wise for Ms. Carter or any other wannabe wrestling promoters out there, when you promise BIG HUGE BUSINESS CHANGING SURPRISES too many times and all you can deliver is Tommy Dreamer and empty words about the big change coming a few weeks away, you might as well be WCW in the dying days.  We’ve already had Hulk Hogan come in to no effect, the move to Monday (which actually dropped ratings) and every free agent worker available short of Brutus Beefcake come in.  If it’s OMGPaulHeyman, then fine, bring him in and hopefully things will change, but don’t hype a booking change like something average fans are supposed to care about.   We went down that road with Russo & Bischoff in 2000 and look what happened there.  Stop PROMISING change and just CHANGE already. 

The Angle

Wednesday, June 9th, 2010

So I finally watched the Cena beatdown via WWE.com’s video player, and yeah, it was pretty great.  I loved the sense of anarchy and realism (which have also permeated bits of NXT that I have enjoyed as well) and that there was nothing for smart-ass fans to cheer.  These are HEELS and they are doing bad things to innocent people. 

I have to say right now, however, that if they open RAW with someone just bringing the NXT guys out for an interview, then it’s dead in the water.  They need to play it like the nWo – they’ve been fired and are no longer welcome on RAW, and whoops, there they are killing people again.  I remain cautiously optimistic, but not enough to buy the shitty, shitty PPV that is upcoming.

WCW Still Sucks

Tuesday, May 18th, 2010

Hey Scott,

Been reading your board in regards to what everyone blames the death of WCW on, and wanted to connect to the man himself (you) for my thoughts. People like to blame Starcade 97 & the Finger Poke of Doom, and they are right, those things definately killed interest. But isn't just the lousy, arrogent, booking of Nitro the real thing to blame. I mean somewhere in 97 they got very over-confident and began airing never-ending Hogan masturbation promos w/ no real storytelling, just biding their time till Sting vs Hogan. Then in 98 there was some solid (questionable) effort. I mean they took a risk & split up the NWO & began building up Goldberg, with the DDP/Raven feud in the undercard. But then that summer the programming got really bad. The Warrior w/ his magic smoke & mirrors? Jay Leno/NWO Night Cap w/ Bischoff? And then after the poke of doom came the worst of all...The No Limit Soldiers. I mean instead of blaming one stupid incident, shouldn't we just blame it on years of bad TV?

 

There are a million things you can blame it on.  The years of bad TV certainly contributed as much as anything else, but TV is easy to turn around in a few weeks.  Killing PPV off?  That’s tough to come back from. 

Fast Count v. Fingerpoke

Sunday, May 16th, 2010

Scott, just got done watching WCW Starrcade 97, and here is my question that I thought might make for good blog discussion.  I have read several times from several people who pinpoint the "fingerpoke of doom" Nitro as the start of the downfall of WCW.  What about Starrcade 97?  I know it did a huge buyrate and made tons of money for the company, but it was also a chance for tons of people to see a truly disasterous PPV.  All the wrong people went over in terrible matches and then came the main event.  How do more people not talk about, or acknowledge how badly Hulk Hogan (or whoever was behind the "fast count" against Sting) screwed over Sting, and therefore WCW????  I mean in one night after a terrible ppv, WCW or Hogan or whoever made Sting, and Bret Hart look like complete and total failures.  Do you think that this PPV should be given more credit for starting a downfall of WCW that it gets???

 

I certainly give Starrcade its fair share of blame for WCW’s downfall! 

Michael’s Impact Review

Tuesday, May 4th, 2010

MICHAEL'S IMPACT REVIEW #18
MAY 3, 2010
THE IMPACT ZONE - ORLANDO, FLORIDA

-  Bubba the Love Sponge gets fired from TNA for calling Awesome Kong, "black".  That is racially insensitive according to Total Nonstop Action.  The same people who have a wrestler named the Black Pope.  **sigh**  Let's cross the line.

-  We start with a video package from last week's show. 

"HOGAN/STING - THE SUMMIT"
(Is this anything like the Savage/Crush Summit?)

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Wrestling With Timeframes

Thursday, April 29th, 2010

 

Thought this was a well-thought post worthy of discussion, so I’ll just post it here via the inbox without adding much.  

I know this has been brought up for debate in numerous threads, but I'm not sure it's been a topic of it's own.

     Growing up as a wrestling fan in the late 1980s was a special time for me.  Maybe it's because time seems to pass very slowly as a child, but it seems that superstars who seemed to be around FOREVER while I was growing up, really weren't around that long.

     Just for clarification, I'm counting a superstar's first big in-ring run with the WWF beginning no earlier than 1985 (exceptions being Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper).  Take a look at Ted DiBiase.  Even though he wrestled for the WWWF in 1979, I don't consider this run as part of my analysis.  Ted DiBiase debuted the "Million Dollar Man" character in late 1987 and his in-ring career was over by mid 1993--a mere 5-1/2 years.  I know he stuck around well into 1996 with his Million Dollar Corporation before jumping to WCW, but his in-ring career had long been over.

Other such superstars include:

Bret Hart 1985-1997 (12 years) - Took off 7 months from WrestleMania XII to Survivor Series 1996

Hulk Hogan 1983-1993 (9.5 years) - Took off 1 year from WrestleMania VII to WrestleMania IX

Shawn Michaels 1988-1998 (9.5 years) - Took several short stints off (knee surgery in 1990, 9 thugs in Syracuse, lost smile)

Roddy Piper 1984-1992 (8 years) - Took off 2 years from WrestleMania III to WrestleMania V

Randy Savage 1985-1992 (7.5 years) - Took off 8 months from WrestleMania VII to This Tuesday in Texas

Jake Roberts 1986-1992 (6 years)

Ultimate Warrior 1987-1992 (5 years) - Took off 8 months from SummerSlam '91 to WrestleMania VIII

Mr. Perfect 1988-1993 (5 years) - Took off 1.5 years from SummerSlam '91 to Survivor Series 1992

Big Boss Man 1988-1993 (4.5 years)

Earthquake 1989-1994 (4.5 years)

Ricky Steamboat 1985-1988 (3.5 years)

You get my point, ad nauseum.  With the exception of Hart, Hogan and Michaels, most of the biggest names in the company during the late 1980s and early 1990s didn't last more than 8 years in a single stint with WWF.  Also, most of the guys with over 5 years in had periods where they were gone for at least 6 months for one reason or another.

However, I look at contemporary WWE programming, WWE's current roster, and when each superstar debuted:

Undertaker - November 1990 (19.5 years) - Took 7 months off in 1994; currently works reduced schedule

Triple H - May 1995 (15 years) - Missed about 14 months due to 2 torn quads

Mark Henry - September 1996 (13.5 years)

Kane - October 1997 (12.5 years)

Edge - June 1998 (12 years) - Most recently missed 5 months during end of 2009 due to injury

Matt Hardy - September 1998 (11.5 years)

Big Show - February 1999 (11 years) - Took a little over a year off around 2007

Chris Jericho - August 1999 (10.5 years) - Took over 2 years off between SummerSlam 2005 and Survivor Series 2007

John Cena - June 2002 (8 years)

Randy Orton - April 2002 (8 years)

Batista - May 2002 (8 years)

Then they wonder why the product has gotten stale.  Hell, even Hornswoggle's been with WWE for about 5 years.  When you really break it down, it looks like the average of the current roster has spent about 5 more years in their initial big run with the company than their predecessors.  I feel this is due to about four major factors:  age, exposure, competition, and down time.

AGE:  John Cena just turned 33 a couple of days ago.  Hulk Hogan was 30.5 when he won his first WWF Championship in 1984.  Today's superstars are getting their biggest pushes at younger ages (SEE Swagger, Jack) so that by the time they reach John Cena's age, there is nothing left for them to do . . . even though they could theoretically go another 20+ years.  I don't know about you, but I'm not sure I could handle another 20 years of Cena!

EXPOSURE:  When I was growing up, it was a treat to see a Hulk Hogan interview, let alone watch him wrestle . . . a jobber.  There was less original programming every week and only a handful of PPVs per year.  John Cena gets at least 15 minutes of air time each week and is expected to sell over 12 PPVs a year.  So even though Hulk Hogan lasted from 1983-1993 and John Cena's only been around since June 2002, John Cena has actually been around for 16 "Hogan" years.

COMPETITION:  Although I'm not the biggest Jeff Hardy fan, I do have to give him credit as he never seems to overstay his welcome as this is now his second stint in TNA.  Back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were viable alternatives to the WWF, such as WCW, AWA, and ECW, among others.  Unless TNA stops bringing in WWE rejects that people don't want to see (Nasty Boys, Val Venis, Orlando Jordan, The Band, etc.), TNA will never be real competition.

DOWN TIME:  Wrestlers just don't seem to take that much time off anymore.  In the old days it wasn't uncommon for a guy to take a year off for one reason or another.  These days superstars rush back from injury (SEE Cena, John and Batista, Dave).  When Shawn Michaels injured his knee in 1990, Shane Douglas subbed for him in The Rockers, while Michaels recovered.  Now, even when a guy gets injured, he's still heavily featured on programming so fans don't FORGET him and he doesn't lose his SPOT.  This mentality is flawed.  Fans will never forget a good worker (SEE Steamboat, Ricky) and by heavily featuring an injured star, it never really feels like he's gone; so when said star comes back, it doesn't feel as fresh as it could.  I do have to take my hat off to Big Show, Chris Jericho, and Rob Van Dam for voluntarily taking extended leaves of absence.

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P.S. - Speaking of Matt Hardy--who has been with WWE for about 12 years, excluding the stint when he was released for whining about Lita on the Internet--why hasn't this guy been PUSHED?  You could give a dozen reasons, such as Vince likes big guys, but just about any reason could be countered in comparison with Jeff who was given the keys to the company and jumped to TNA.  Matt is bigger than Jeff, has less personal demons, seems more reliable/dedicated, has about equal mic skills, and at times has been just as over, but has never risen above the mid-card.  Right now he seems stale, but I feel McMahon missed the boat with him on several occassions.  Matt seemed really over in 2003 with the whole Mattitude thing.  He also could have been risen to the main event with Edge over the whole Lita thing in 2005.  I also remember his feud with MVP in 2007 being really good.  The whole thing that got me thinking about this was that I was watching SmackDown this week and saw Drew McIntyre destroy Hardy the same way Edge did at SummerSlam 2005, killing all his heat in the process.  I wonder why Matt hasn't ever jumped to TNA because of this treatment.

“What If” Day Continues

Saturday, April 24th, 2010

If you're still looking for discussion-worthy questions, here's one my friends and I knocked around on one of our road trips.
The usual "What If" questions are things like, "What if Vince hadn't gotten ahold of Hulk Hogan?" or "What if there had been no ECW as a template for Attitude?", but my question is, What if there had been no Eric Bischoff?
What if after the AWA folded, Eric just shrugged his shoulders and went off on another business venture?  From most accounts, the word is Tony Schiavone may have been next in line to take a whack at the VP position, so how might have history played out differently?  The nWo, and its effect on wrestling, is a big point, but others to consider....
- Would Hogan have signed with WCW?
- Would Nitro have existed?
- Would the luchadors gotten a foothold, however small, in US wrestling?
- What about workers overlooked by Vince like Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Goldberg, and others?
Discuss at your leisure, good sir

 

It’s not like Bischoff was the all-powerful dictator of WCW, there were other people involved in the decision making as well.  Getting Nitro was huge, no doubt, and I don’t think Schiavone would have gotten Hogan.  It probably would have just proceeded along the same line it was at the time, remained niche programming on TBS with a booking committee and Dusty getting power every couple of years, and still be around today because it wouldn’t have been losing millions in 2001. 

So I guess the question becomes:  Was Bischoff good or bad for the business in the big picture?  I sure as fuck would like to still have WCW around today, even just doing 1.0 ratings on Saturday afternoons.

Suck it…perfectly

Saturday, April 24th, 2010

Do you think that if Mr. Perfect stuck around the WWE in 1997 instead of going to WCW he would have Rick Rude's spot in the original DX?  If you think about what Perfect was doing at the time, he had just started managing HHH when he turned heel on Marc Mero and helped him win the IC title.  Plus, if you watch Perfect's DVD they kept mentioning that he was a huge prankster, which would have fit in the funny and rebellios DX at the time.  Rude always seemed like an emergency replacement to me because Perfect left.  He never quite fit in with them.  In fact, if you go back and watch Rude, he looks uncomfortable (and maybe even downright embarrassed) to be associated with DX.  Perfect would have probably enjoyed doing alot of the jokes and antics that DX did.  What do you and your readers think?

I think people think up strange scenarios.  I mean, it might have been a good fit, but Rude was added to the group because they poached him from ECW, not because he happened to be around, so who knows.