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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.rspwfaq.com/2009/11/06/tna-and-roh/comment-page-1/#comment-490291</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely. WCW and Nitro singlehandedly changed what wrestling fans could come to expect from a weekly wrestling show in terms of star power and &quot;dream matches&quot; with top stars going at it on a weekly basis. 

As has been discussed here in the past, WWE today has never gotten out of the habit from the late 1990s during the Monday Night Wars of displaying its top talent on every major show every week in the ring. Cena wrestles practically every Raw. Unthinkable in the pre-MNW era.

On this topic, TNA&#039;s booking right now is--surprise, surprise--downright horrid. Everything Scott says against this latest Impact is on the mark. They&#039;ve even botched the very promising Angle/Nigel... er, Desmond Wolfe build. That phone call from Angle was hilariously bad. Tara/Awesome Kong is still all right and it&#039;s kind of amusing to see them try to use Scott Steiner to make Lashley seem appealing--it seems like something Vince would try to do with Lashely from a few years back--and they&#039;ve finally made Samoa Joe seem like a serious heel, but aside from those few bright spots, TNA&#039;s Russo-rific booking is suffocating their product. 

As others said earlier, the PG product of WWE is not necessarily a bad thing. The Punk/Hardy feud from this summer showed that PG does not need mean simplistic or stupid, much less immature. It also showed that when WWE is good, it can be truly fantastic. Watching WWE every week is a bit like sifting through all of the boring crap to get to the occasional great stuff. For a long while, it doesn&#039;t seem worth it, and then they finally pull the trigger on something (like Kofi on Raw, or the intricate build to DiBiase&#039;s face turn) and they inspire fans&#039; imaginations again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely. WCW and Nitro singlehandedly changed what wrestling fans could come to expect from a weekly wrestling show in terms of star power and &#8220;dream matches&#8221; with top stars going at it on a weekly basis. </p>
<p>As has been discussed here in the past, WWE today has never gotten out of the habit from the late 1990s during the Monday Night Wars of displaying its top talent on every major show every week in the ring. Cena wrestles practically every Raw. Unthinkable in the pre-MNW era.</p>
<p>On this topic, TNA&#8217;s booking right now is&#8211;surprise, surprise&#8211;downright horrid. Everything Scott says against this latest Impact is on the mark. They&#8217;ve even botched the very promising Angle/Nigel&#8230; er, Desmond Wolfe build. That phone call from Angle was hilariously bad. Tara/Awesome Kong is still all right and it&#8217;s kind of amusing to see them try to use Scott Steiner to make Lashley seem appealing&#8211;it seems like something Vince would try to do with Lashely from a few years back&#8211;and they&#8217;ve finally made Samoa Joe seem like a serious heel, but aside from those few bright spots, TNA&#8217;s Russo-rific booking is suffocating their product. </p>
<p>As others said earlier, the PG product of WWE is not necessarily a bad thing. The Punk/Hardy feud from this summer showed that PG does not need mean simplistic or stupid, much less immature. It also showed that when WWE is good, it can be truly fantastic. Watching WWE every week is a bit like sifting through all of the boring crap to get to the occasional great stuff. For a long while, it doesn&#8217;t seem worth it, and then they finally pull the trigger on something (like Kofi on Raw, or the intricate build to DiBiase&#8217;s face turn) and they inspire fans&#8217; imaginations again.</p>
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		<title>By: rskva</title>
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		<dc:creator>rskva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chikara puts out a free, weekly Podcast a-Go-Go on iTunes.  If you can&#039;t afford to pay for their shows then you can at least follow them that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chikara puts out a free, weekly Podcast a-Go-Go on iTunes.  If you can&#8217;t afford to pay for their shows then you can at least follow them that way.</p>
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		<title>By: rskva</title>
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		<dc:creator>rskva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They actually have had feud-building in the more recent shows, with a lot of the emphasis being on Prince Nana&#039;s Embassy feuding with Colt Cabana, Necro Butcher, Grizzly Redwood, and Brent Albright.  That even culminated in an awesome 8-man tag where Colt finally got his comeuppance on Nana, along with some cool spots (the crowd helping the faces cheat).

I understand if the first few shows set you off but the recent stuff has been more in line with traditional wrestling shows.  You get angle advancement (the A-Double L-double), good to great matches (Aries/Danielson from two weeks ago), and some interesting vignettes (Skullcrusher Rasche Brown channeling, of all people, Baron Von Raschke).  It&#039;s not amazing but it&#039;s more hit-than-miss than most episodes of RAW or Impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They actually have had feud-building in the more recent shows, with a lot of the emphasis being on Prince Nana&#8217;s Embassy feuding with Colt Cabana, Necro Butcher, Grizzly Redwood, and Brent Albright.  That even culminated in an awesome 8-man tag where Colt finally got his comeuppance on Nana, along with some cool spots (the crowd helping the faces cheat).</p>
<p>I understand if the first few shows set you off but the recent stuff has been more in line with traditional wrestling shows.  You get angle advancement (the A-Double L-double), good to great matches (Aries/Danielson from two weeks ago), and some interesting vignettes (Skullcrusher Rasche Brown channeling, of all people, Baron Von Raschke).  It&#8217;s not amazing but it&#8217;s more hit-than-miss than most episodes of RAW or Impact.</p>
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		<title>By: nwa88</title>
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		<dc:creator>nwa88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, plus I guess another big draw for Nitro that might have got them off to a big start was the promise for main event matches versus JTTS on RAW.  That&#039;s probably a big part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, plus I guess another big draw for Nitro that might have got them off to a big start was the promise for main event matches versus JTTS on RAW.  That&#8217;s probably a big part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fuj</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fuj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>94 before the &quot;Hogan Love-in&quot; as Scott puts in his books was on fire. WCW Saturday Night had a built in audience already and with Turner owning both TBS/TNT it was easy to say.

&quot;Tune into our new Monday show&quot;

Not to mention, Hogan/Flair despite its one sided-ness did good business. The old WWF guys who showed up still had a shelf-life. I think this attributed to when Hogan left the WWF, ALOT of fans did as well. And when he showed up in WCW, it piqued interest, then you saw the different product WCW put on. 

Plus the WCW die-hards wanted to see Sting/Hogan Vader/Hogan etc. so that held interest.

And as a 15 yr old kid, the Macho/sting/hogan/luger thing had me. Tweener Luger was awesome.

then the NWO happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>94 before the &#8220;Hogan Love-in&#8221; as Scott puts in his books was on fire. WCW Saturday Night had a built in audience already and with Turner owning both TBS/TNT it was easy to say.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tune into our new Monday show&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to mention, Hogan/Flair despite its one sided-ness did good business. The old WWF guys who showed up still had a shelf-life. I think this attributed to when Hogan left the WWF, ALOT of fans did as well. And when he showed up in WCW, it piqued interest, then you saw the different product WCW put on. </p>
<p>Plus the WCW die-hards wanted to see Sting/Hogan Vader/Hogan etc. so that held interest.</p>
<p>And as a 15 yr old kid, the Macho/sting/hogan/luger thing had me. Tweener Luger was awesome.</p>
<p>then the NWO happened.</p>
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		<title>By: flair4dagold</title>
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		<dc:creator>flair4dagold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess shame wasn&#039;t the proper word.  I just really can&#039;t stand the term because it incorporates &quot;people that look at online wrestling sites&quot; all under one flag.  In my opinion, in today&#039;s day of facebook/twitter/etc, I venture that 90% of the audience checks out websites about wrestling.  It&#039;s not like the olden days when you had to call Mean Gene on the special hotline to get information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess shame wasn&#8217;t the proper word.  I just really can&#8217;t stand the term because it incorporates &#8220;people that look at online wrestling sites&#8221; all under one flag.  In my opinion, in today&#8217;s day of facebook/twitter/etc, I venture that 90% of the audience checks out websites about wrestling.  It&#8217;s not like the olden days when you had to call Mean Gene on the special hotline to get information.</p>
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		<title>By: Darryl The Hitman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darryl The Hitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you ashamed of the term &quot;IWC&quot;?

A theory I read somewhere said that the Attitude Era was simply ECW on a global stage and that Shane was the one that talked Vince into doing it. So it raises a few questions (for me anyway):

If we accept that as true, that means Vince himself has only come up with the driving idea behind the first boom and not the second.  Does Vince have it in him to reinvent the business again? Whether he would want to or not is a different matter as ably pointed out by nwa88.  

With Shane gone, is there anyone left in WWE that could get Vince to change the way he does things if someone else was to come up with a different, possibly better way of doing things?

Is there anyone out there that could change the game? 

I suppose I&#039;ll just put this out there--if he would agree to work with Bischoff and wanted to come back to wrestling (big IFs, I know), would Paul Heyman be the man to reimagine things? I think Heyman running a federation with someone else looking after the money could be a force to be reckoned with but maybe I&#039;m wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you ashamed of the term &#8220;IWC&#8221;?</p>
<p>A theory I read somewhere said that the Attitude Era was simply ECW on a global stage and that Shane was the one that talked Vince into doing it. So it raises a few questions (for me anyway):</p>
<p>If we accept that as true, that means Vince himself has only come up with the driving idea behind the first boom and not the second.  Does Vince have it in him to reinvent the business again? Whether he would want to or not is a different matter as ably pointed out by nwa88.  </p>
<p>With Shane gone, is there anyone left in WWE that could get Vince to change the way he does things if someone else was to come up with a different, possibly better way of doing things?</p>
<p>Is there anyone out there that could change the game? </p>
<p>I suppose I&#8217;ll just put this out there&#8211;if he would agree to work with Bischoff and wanted to come back to wrestling (big IFs, I know), would Paul Heyman be the man to reimagine things? I think Heyman running a federation with someone else looking after the money could be a force to be reckoned with but maybe I&#8217;m wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: thatnickguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>thatnickguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about the next &quot;big thing&quot;, but I effing love Ophidian in CHIKARA. He looks, wrestles and moves like a snake and it&#039;s quite amazing to watch him work.

On many occasions, I&#039;ve pictured him wrestle Mysterio and saw good things. Maybe not &quot;main event&quot; or &quot;red hot&quot; levels of big, but certainly a good mid-card character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about the next &#8220;big thing&#8221;, but I effing love Ophidian in CHIKARA. He looks, wrestles and moves like a snake and it&#8217;s quite amazing to watch him work.</p>
<p>On many occasions, I&#8217;ve pictured him wrestle Mysterio and saw good things. Maybe not &#8220;main event&#8221; or &#8220;red hot&#8221; levels of big, but certainly a good mid-card character.</p>
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		<title>By: nwa88</title>
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		<dc:creator>nwa88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I&#039;ve always found interesting too -- the ratings for Nitro were pretty much at parity with the WWF right out of the gate.  It&#039;s not like WCW had to build an audience for Nitro to catch up with RAW -- from day one it was practically already there.  I don&#039;t know what RAW&#039;s ratings were from before September 1995 --  I would guess a % of their audience was already tuning into to WCW at this point.

So what do you think contributed to this?  Had WCW already made some substantial gains in overall popularity throughout 1994 and 1995 and pulled closer to the WWF then they had ever been before?  Or was it more that the WWF had fallen so far since 1992, and at a faster rate then WCW&#039;s audience?  Clearly WCW&#039;s buyrates and overall attendance went up a lot in 1994 and 1995 (for Hogan PPVs at least, pretty crappy house show business still vs the WWF).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;ve always found interesting too &#8212; the ratings for Nitro were pretty much at parity with the WWF right out of the gate.  It&#8217;s not like WCW had to build an audience for Nitro to catch up with RAW &#8212; from day one it was practically already there.  I don&#8217;t know what RAW&#8217;s ratings were from before September 1995 &#8212;  I would guess a % of their audience was already tuning into to WCW at this point.</p>
<p>So what do you think contributed to this?  Had WCW already made some substantial gains in overall popularity throughout 1994 and 1995 and pulled closer to the WWF then they had ever been before?  Or was it more that the WWF had fallen so far since 1992, and at a faster rate then WCW&#8217;s audience?  Clearly WCW&#8217;s buyrates and overall attendance went up a lot in 1994 and 1995 (for Hogan PPVs at least, pretty crappy house show business still vs the WWF).</p>
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		<title>By: flair4dagold</title>
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		<dc:creator>flair4dagold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said this before on this blog, and others have agreed; it&#039;s time to apply the Hogan formula to Cena.  Enough with the constant title changes.  Give the guy the belt for a year.  Have him win clean.  Build a formula match for him and have an array of different contenders every couple of ppv&#039;s.  

As a work rate fan, of course this is not my preferred way of doing things; but Cena is the type of guy that I believe can carry the promotion.  I am by no means a huge Cena fan; but I totally get the appeal.  Back when Hogan was champ, all kinds of different guys challenged for the belt on SNME and ppv&#039;s.  Same with Flair over at the NWA.  For God&#039;s sake, Hawk got a title shot on a major show.

Having the PG rating probably even helps this formula.  I always laugh at HHH, especially that interview he gave, about putting over talent.  The funny thing is Jericho and Cena have taken more pins in the last year than HHH has in the last 10 years.  Now i&#039;m guessing here, but I might be pretty close to the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said this before on this blog, and others have agreed; it&#8217;s time to apply the Hogan formula to Cena.  Enough with the constant title changes.  Give the guy the belt for a year.  Have him win clean.  Build a formula match for him and have an array of different contenders every couple of ppv&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>As a work rate fan, of course this is not my preferred way of doing things; but Cena is the type of guy that I believe can carry the promotion.  I am by no means a huge Cena fan; but I totally get the appeal.  Back when Hogan was champ, all kinds of different guys challenged for the belt on SNME and ppv&#8217;s.  Same with Flair over at the NWA.  For God&#8217;s sake, Hawk got a title shot on a major show.</p>
<p>Having the PG rating probably even helps this formula.  I always laugh at HHH, especially that interview he gave, about putting over talent.  The funny thing is Jericho and Cena have taken more pins in the last year than HHH has in the last 10 years.  Now i&#8217;m guessing here, but I might be pretty close to the truth.</p>
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