The SmarK 24/7 Rant for WCW Bash at the Beach 2000

The SmarK 24/7 Rant for WCW Bash at the Beach 2000

- Ugh, why do I punish myself with this stuff? Unfortunately the original rant is pretty crappy, so let's journey back to the era of Russo & Bischoff. On the bright side, I don't remember any of this shit in the slightest, so much like reruns on NBC, it's new to me! Now where's the alcohol…

- Live from Daytona Beach, FL. And presented by a full nelson!

- Your hosts are Tony, Scott Hudson and Mark Madden.

- Right off the bat I'm fucking annoyed because Tony says "sports entertainment" a million times, which sounds ridiculous on a show that's supposed to be the "alternative" to WWE at the time.

WCW Cruiserweight title: Lt. Loco/Chavo Guerrero v. Juventud Guerrera

Before the show, Ernest Miller banned both factions from ringside upon threat of death, so of course the entire crew of both groups is out there to start. And who's the dude who looks kind of like Rey Mysterio, but without the mask or steroids? They trade chops to start and Chavo gets a pair of atomic drops to put Juvy over the top. Now, I'm assuming the Filthy Animals were supposed to be heels at this point, but the pre-match promos were total babyface stuff and they're certainly way hipper than the jobbers who comprise the Misfits in Action are. Do kids aspire to be like Lash LeRoux? Juvy stalls forever and heads back in, but Chavo blocks a suplex and puts him on the floor with his own, then follows with a pescado. Back in the ring as Juvy oversells everything like a total clown. Clearly he's completely in his element under the Russo regime. Chavo gets a backbreaker for two and goes to an armbar, but Juvy chops out, so Chavo takes him down with a headscissors and a powerslam for two. Juvy comes back with chops, but misses a blind charge and they collide for the double KO. At 5:00 in. Chavo slugs away and puts Juvy on the floor, then follows with a dive from the top. The Filthy Animals (wearing masks in a funny bit) sneak back out to interfere, but the ref tosses them again. Meanwhile, the Juice hits Chavo with a buttdrop from the apron to the floor to take over. Back in, Juvy with a springboard splash for two. They fight to the top and Juvy comes out with a powerbomb for two. An ugly pancake sets up the Juicy Elbow for two, but now MIA does the same mask gimmick and Juvy gets distracted. Chavo tries the tornado DDT, but Juvy counters, and Chavo finally gets an inverted DDT for two. Powerbomb is countered by the Juice, and the Drunk Driver gets two. Chavo comes back with the tornado DDT to retain at 12:09. A fine opener, but all the stupid run-ins weren't needed and nearly ruined it. ***1/2

Meanwhile, Jeff Jarrett complains to Commissioner Cat that Hogan isn't here yet. He literally has a singing fat lady ready. Oh, Russo.

Hardcore title: Big Vito v. Norman Smiley & Ralphus

This is actually a pretty dignified period for Vito compared to what the WWE had in store for him. Vito gets rid of Ralphus right away and goes after Smiley by the stage, and they head into the back for the "brawl". Ralphus recovers and helps Smiley double-team Vito, which gives us the Wiggle. Norman directs Ralphus in his garbage can lid attack as this gets somehow more embarrassing than I pictured, but Vito is shockingly able to fend off the wrath of Ralphus and comes back. Norman tries to call for the elevator and Vito beats up the caterer, as they fight into the elevator and Norman gets left there. I would like to remind everyone that Vince Russo was paid $2.5 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR to think this bullshit up. Vito drags Ralphus down to the ring and beats on him, and they can't even set up a table properly without it breaking. Vito splashes him through the table and gets the pin to retain at 5:55. $2.5 million dollars! For THIS! -**

Kevin Nash is ANGRY. At Goldberg. But first, before that intensely personal grudge match, a wedding gown match between two managers!

Wedding Gown match: Miss Hancock v. Daffney

The incredibly pretentious video package for this idiocy makes it so much easier to hate. Like, imagine Tony Schiavone quotes superimposed on footage from the feud. Hancock gets a handspring elbow, but Daffney takes her down by the hair. They fight on the ropes until the ref and David Flair pull them apart and this just gets stupider by the second. And then the men lose their pants. Hancock gets sent into David's crotch, and now suddenly they're trying to shave Daffney's head for no adequately explored reason. Oh, and then Crowbar runs in and beats up Flair (also in his underwear, of course) before the match grinds to a further halt so Hancock can strip to end the match at 4:18. The announcers question the legality of Hancock removing her own dress, but it ends the match, so I'm fine with it. Astonishingly, Stacy became a pretty decent worker for her position In the company once she went to WWE. This was like, I dunno, a three-ring circus taking place on the back of a train car, and the train derails and crashes into a giant 20 car pileup on the interstate. -****

WCW World tag title: Shawn Stasiak & Chuck Palumbo v. Kronik

Adams tosses Palumbo and then presses Stasiak onto him, prompting the champs to take a walk and stall. Back in, Stasiak pounds away in the corner on Clarke, but comes off the top and lands in a uranage. Kronik double-teams Stasiak with an elbow and Adams gets a big boot, so Palumbo comes in. And Adams immediately gets a full nelson slam ("Oh no, not the fatty bo-batty!" sez Madden), but the champs double-team on the floor to take over. This is of course horrifying because Adams' hair threatens to come in contact with the remnants of the wedding cake from the last match, and that would just kill the only appeal as a worker he had left by 2000. Luckily, it escapes unscathed, ready to flow and flip like a third man on the team yet again. Back in, Palumbo pounds away and Adams is in trouble, but the hair is well-conditioned and full of life! Chuck with the sleeper and Stasiak comes in with a back elbow for two. Stasiak pounds away on the ropes and Adams actually stops to do a hair flip while selling. He must have learned from Kevin Nash. Stasiak with the sleeper, like a metaphor for this fucking boring match, and they collide for the double KO. Hot tag Clarke, and while he's fresh, his hair is much greasier than usual, and I feel that could put them at a distinct disadvantage. Meltdown is reversed by Palumbo into a shitty DDT, and now Stasiak comes in and dropkicks everyone. I have seriously seen backyard wrestling tapes that were more professionally contested than this shit. At least no one was slipping and falling on their ass (like Clarke does during a charge to the corner) and charging people $30 to watch it on PPV. The champs double-team Clarke while Adams is busy combing his hair, but luckily he makes the save and tosses Palumbo. F5 for Stasiak and they hit their double chokeslam for two, but it turns into a big sloppy brawl again. Palumbo also takes the pot-themed finisher, but Stasiak breaks it up. So they hit him with a Doomsday Device and win the tag titles at 13:38. Kronik was their own special kind of awful, but at least they were over. And had the hair of a World champion. *1/2

Meanwhile, the Jung Dragons attack the Cat in a bit stolen from the Pink Panther movies.

Kanyon v. Booker T

Booker puts him on the floor with a spinkick right away, tragically knocking the blond wig off. Back in, Kanyon slugs away, but Booker hits him with a dropkick and clotheslines him. Back to the floor goes Kanyon and they have a quick brawl out there, then back in for a Booker clothesline for two. Back to the floor and Kanyon sends him into the railing, then puts the stairs on Booker's arm and whacks it with a chair. Back in, Kanyon puts him against the railing and dropkicks him into it, then brings him back in with a superplex. That gets two. Kanyon puts a chair in the corner, but Booker fights back with a powerslam for two. Kanyon catches him coming out of the corner with a powerbomb for two. Inverted Boston crab follows, but Bookre powers out and gets a rollup for two. Kanyon reverses that for two. Booker fires back with a forearm and a spinebuster for two, but Kanyon's in the ropes. Booker goes after him with the chair, but Kanyon hits him with the BOOK OF DOOM for two. Well the brick fell out, see. Booker spins up and sidekicks Kanyon down, which sets up the ax kick and Bookend for two. He goes up, but Jeff Jarrett runs in and guitars him, and the Kanyon Kutter finishes at 10:00. More of a Nitro match than anything. ***

Meanwhile, Mike Awesome hits on the singing fat lady, but has no luck.

US title: Scott Steiner v. Mike Awesome

They immediately brawl into the crowd and Awesome gives him a backbreaker on the floor as Tony talks about "superstars in sports entertainment". KILL ME NOW. Steiner uses a chair to gain the advantage and they head back in, where Steiner drops the elbow for two. Awesome comes back with a boot out of the corner, but Steiner hits him with a belly to belly for two. Backbreaker sets up a suplex, but Awesome reverses and drops him on the top rope instead. Steiner hits the floor and Awesome drops an elbow from the apron, then beats on him with a chair. Clearly the crowd wants to cheer for Steiner here but WCW insisted on booking him as a heel for whatever reason. Awesome slingshots himself in for two. Flying Awesome clothesline gets two. The Cat comes out to watch as Steiner comes back with the overhead suplex, but Cat stops him from doing the Steiner Recliner for some reason. Steiner knocks him off the apron, allowing Awesome to get a powerbomb for two. Awesome flying splash gets two. Steiner fights off a powerbomb attempt and the ref is bumped, but Cat's interference backfires and he superkicks Awesome by mistake. Steiner gets two off that. Belly to belly and the Steiner Recliner finish at 9:07, but Cat strips him of the title for using the banned finisher. Stupid finish, OK match. Booking was really weird, as Steiner wrestled as a babyface and the Cat acted like a total heel and they did heel spots, but they're supposed to be the exact opposite. **1/2

Graveyard match: The Demon (Dale Torborg) v. Vampiro

Yes, they're in a GRAVEYARD. TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. Vampiro tries to jump out of a tree, but it misses. I can't imagine how that plan would have failed. They slug it out but you can't actually see anything. Not a complaint, just an observation. Demon manages to shove him into an open grave, but Vampiro pulls him in and then goes after Asya. Demon gives chase after EMOTING~! And then they go swimming. Tony's worry is that there might be alligators in the water. If only. Vampiro drowns the Demon and then goes after Asya again, but luckily Charles Robinson fishes him out. Isn't he supposed to be an immortal spawn of Hell? Can they really drown in two feet of water like that? And then, um, Vampiro pops out of a coffin and breaks a plaster tombstone over Demon's head. So naturally Demon goes into the coffin and gets thrown into the open grave, because really what other finish could you have? That's it, it's over. TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Buff Bagwell v. Shane Douglas

Slugfest to start and Buff dropkicks him out, then pounds on the ribs outside. Douglas goes low and drops him on the railing, but Buff backdrops Douglas onto the floor. Back in, Buff with a neckbreaker, but Shane rolls out and stalls again. They slug it out on the floor and Douglas takes Buff into the post crotch-first, then punches a chair back into Bagwell's face. Douglas is so lame that he goes to a chinlock on the floor, then stops by the announce table to say "Now it's time to go home." Gosh, I guess he's shooting then. Back into the ring and Douglas hits a necksnap before going to a neck vice. Torrie Wilson comes out and distracts Douglas, allowing Bagwell to roll him up for two. Buff with a pump splash for two as Torrie stands on the apron and cheers. What idiot can't see this coming down main street? And sure enough, Torrie turns on him and the Pittsburgh Plunge gets two. Buff comes back with a DDT for two. Buff goes up to finish, but Torrie grabs the leg and the Franchiser jawbreaker finishes at 7:50. **

WCW World title: Jeff Jarrett v. Hulk Hogan

OK, so there's this match. Russo had this idea where Jarrett would "shoot" and lay down for Hogan because Hogan had creative control (the character, you see) and Russo wanted to get the title off him. In storyline, you see. So Hogan "wins" the title by pinning Jarrett with his foot, but Russo would cut this nasty promo later on and take the title from Hogan, setting up a rematch down the road to re-unify the titles. But then it got really silly, as Hogan (the real person, such as he is) turned around and sued WCW for slander and didn't actually ever come back again. And then it gets worse, as we get the announcers talking about it afterwards, as they're all "Oh wow, this is SO REAL. They didn't go over this at the production meeting!" Remember, with Russo, everything you see is fake, except for what you're watching right now, which is REAL.

And now, back to stuff that definitely IS part of the script, as Vampiro returns to the ring to officially win his match (in case you were worried about it), but a group of Sting clones brings the coffin out, presumably still with the dead body of Dale Torborg in it. However, it actually turns out to be Sting, which is a huge swerve given that the coffin was carried out by 8 guys dressed like Sting. I mean, who would've suspected, right? TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

So as promised, Russo heads out and tells the world his views on Hulk Hogan. Hudson clarifies that it's not Vince Russo The Character, but rather Vince Russo The Boss. Of course, Vince Russo The Boss is a character played on TV by Vince Russo The Person. Anyway, Vince tells the inspiring story of how he came back to WCW to help out the guys who give a shit about the company and Hogan isn't one of those people. Hogan, you see, wants his title back, and Russo doesn't want Jarrett to get beat, but this is actually all storyline because the whole thing was planned. So Russo basically strips Hogan of the title and declares that tonight, Jeff Jarrett faces Booker T in the main event for the title. Nobody in that audience had any clue what the hell Russo was talking about, because everyone who wasn't on the internet (which is still 95% of the audience even today) just thought Hogan was the big star and hero. And really, who was Russo to be out there talking shit after three years in the sport? Tony actually says "shoot" and Hudson SHOWS THE FORMAT SHEET and notes that it's not there anywhere. This show makes me want to blow my brains out to stop the stupidity. Russo was right about one thing: Hogan never did show his face in WCW again, but then went back to WWE and made another zillion dollars because he could still make people think he was the hero. Hogan at least had real accomplishments in the sport, which is more than you can say for Russo.

The Battle for Scott Hall: Goldberg v. Kevin Nash

This was right after Goldberg's disastrous heel turn that basically destroyed his WCW career for good. Nash chokes away in the corner, but Goldberg pushes him down and follows with a suplex for two. They slug it out and Goldberg hits the Bretkiller kick, but Nash chokeslams him for two. And now Scott Steiner joins us, acting like a babyface despite being a heel earlier, which is a sure sign that he's turning on Nash because it's a BIG SWERVE. Goldberg charges and runs into a boot and Nash gets the sideslam for two. Goldberg recovers and tries the spear, but hits the turnbuckle as they're rushing through this like crazy to fit the show into PPV time. Nash sets up to finish, but SWERVEY SWERVE SWERVE and Scott Steiner turns on him. Spear, jackhammer, and Scott Hall's career is DONE at 5:24. How can I live without the Outsiders? *

WCW World title: Jeff Jarrett v. Booker T

Booker takes him down with a headscissors and they do a wrestling sequence, as Booker grabs a headlock. Jarrett slugs out and pounds Booker in the corner, but Booker comes back with a sidekick and they brawl to the floor. Booker whips him into the wall and they head back to ringside, where Jarrett hits him with a chair and they head over to the announce table. Jarrett piledrives him on the table (which doesn't break, prompting a quick joke from Tony about how they finally got the construction right on them) and back in we go. Jarrett with the sleeper, but Booker reverses a figure-four attempt into a small package for two. Another figure-four succeeds, but Booker makes the ropes. Jarrett works the leg, but Booker makes the comeback with the ax kick. Spinarooni and spinebuster get two. Booker tries a sidekick and crotches himself on the top rope, allowing Jarrett to pound him in the corner. Ref is bumped and Jarrett grabs the belt, but Booker gets it and nails Jarrett for two. Jarrett wedges a chair into the corner, but Booker sends him into it for two. Jarrett gets frustrated and takes out the ref, then grabs his guitar and goes up, but the Bookend finishes at 13:41, giving Booker his first World title. They tried to make it "main eventy" but I don't think either guy was really "ready" at that point and the timing was kind of off. Sometimes you've just gotta pull the trigger and see what happens, though. ***

The Pulse:

Although New Blood Rising was more purely self-indulgent on Russo's part, this had the all-time champion Russo "aren't I so important to the world of wrestling" moment in the form of his rant against Hogan, so it's a tossup as to which is more obnoxious in the grand scheme of things. I don't side with Hogan in many things, but this was one case where they went about things completely the wrong way. It's a hot crowd and should have been an easy, thumbs up fun show, but never let it be said that this company couldn't figure out how to screw up pretty much anything. Strong recommendation to avoid.

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35 Responses to “The SmarK 24/7 Rant for WCW Bash at the Beach 2000”

  1. JesseBaker says:

    Note to Scott Keith: Jokes about Kronik’s hair were not fucking funny or witty or clever in 2000 and are still not fucking funny or witty or clever in 2009.

    Also, Hogan DID learn his lesson as a result of the crap that happened at this PPV; when he returned to the WWE in 2002, he was much better behaved than when he was in WCW and largely curbed his behind the scenes douchebaggery down to a level where even his most ardent haters within the smark community were willing to give him a second chance.

    “Astonishingly, Stacy became a pretty decent worker for her position In the company once she went to WWE.”

    They also stripped her of her WCW persona (corporate executive girl) and turned her into just another generic blonde female wrestler/diva, effectively causing people to stop giving a fuck about her since Molly Holly HAD a personality PLUS Torrie Wilson was around as “The Blonde Chick”, making Stacy just another generic pair of tits.

    (Speaking of which, what ever happened to Daphne? I always liked her and she made the entire “David Flair is batshit crazy” thing work IMHO since she and David Flair had decent chemistry together to make them believable as a couple)?

    • jim lard says:

      To be fair, I like jokes about Kronik’s hair. WWE sure did mishandle Stacy Kiebler though – although they didn’t exactly do wonders with Molly Holly. I think it points to whoever was booking WWE during the early noughties having very set ideas of the role of women in wrestling (ie tittilation) and a very narrow and unsubtle view of how to achieve that goal (ie by flaunting their bodies at the camera). Some counselling was no doubt required.

      Always great to see more WCW rants Scott, maybe because I’m a sadist and I like to see you torture yourself, lol.

    • manwithnolife85 says:

      “making Stacy just another generic pair of tits. ”

      Legs.

    • Lerxst Pratt says:

      (Speaking of which, what ever happened to Daphne?

      “The Governor” in TNA

    • thatnickguy says:

      Eh, the hair jokes were for one match and really, how often does Scott get to bust out Kronik jokes, anyway?

      Hogan sure did learn his lesson, bygum….you know, until they had him against Lesner and he threw a tissy fit because he wasn’t getting a rematch to get the belt.

      That generic blonde chick was one of the more over divas on the roster, save for Trish. The times she wrestled (rarely), I was surprised that they used her legs as a gimmick to have her wrestle (using lots of kicks and such). Plus, much as I love Molly Holly, she was never exactly over. She did more as a worker than Torrie Wilson ever was. Only thing Wilson got famous for was getting naked.

  2. DrVenkman says:

    I feel your rage, Scott. I watched a lot of this on fast forward but caught some key elements. The opening match is the only thing I watched in full, but that was to amuse / enrage myself with the commentary (I found the match itself dull and I think you were more on track with the original star rating).

    What I did watch was one of those experiences where I got myself way more worked up than needed (it’s an almost 9 year old wrestling show!) but I ended up sending an e-mail to Bryan and Dave to point out some TNA comparisons, and they in turn published it as a short column. That was nice of them but I had no intention of that happening, heh.

  3. SHough610 says:

    I’m not one to defend Vince Russo, but you CAN see why AOL/Time Warner would pay him that much money. IMO, there are six people responsible for getting WWE to beat WCW (Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Vince McMahon, Steve Austin, the Rock, and Vince Russo). WCW took the only person they could get, figuring that he was the head writer that he would be good.

    The real problem came when he had no oversight and no control. Say what you will about McMahon, but he loves the WWE. WCW had a whole corporate structure above it that prevented a true #1 for Russo to filter his ideas through. As an aspiring writer I’ve found that having someone to bounce your ideas off of is a HUGE help. Russo didn’t have that, he could say something like “let’s do a viagra on a pole match” and there was no one like McMahon to question it.

    Russo also had to deal with a tainted brand and bad luck. The fingerpoke of doom had already happened, Starrcade ‘97 had happened, it was in horrible shape when he got it. He also had a string of injuries towards the end of his first run.

    On the other hand, Vince Russo has proven to be a right royal asshole and got what he deserved. No one man is bigger than the business and Russo seemed to think so.

    • bignasty96 says:

      Youre sort of right but WCW had Bret Hart! The only chance, in my opinion, that WCW had of coming back at the WWF was in late 1999. They made it clear they were putting the title on Bret…they could have made him the promotion’s face since, despite the horrible booking, Bret was still crazy over.

      Jeff Jarrett, we tend to forget, was actually really over during that time too and his jump to WCW could have been a big deal since he was the only guy jumping that way. Remember, no one gave two shits when he jumped to the WWF in 1997 but he was the first. WCW also had Booker T and Benoit, two future World Champions, and Goldberg, who was still over despite his poor booking. Ditto for Flair. And Scott Steiner was hot.

      I think you can have a successful promotion with Bret, Jarrett, Booker, Benoit, Goldberg & Steiner on top. Then they could have brought in the new talent, find some rookies and try to stumble into the next superstar.

      Instead…Vince Russo took a huge dump on pro wrestling with all his fake/real/fake/real again bullshit. Dammit, I KNOW pro wrestling is fake…don’t tell me it during the show! Breaking the fourth wall only works in comedy.

      • TBT says:

        The “worked shoot” stuff seemed very cool and cutting edge when you saw it for the first time in ECW or wherever but it quickly became a dead horse that Heymen/McMahon/Bischoff/Russo/etc. beat into the ground. (I suppose the extremes of the “worked shoot” idea would be Douglas throwing down the NWA title and the Russo rant).

        As mentioned above, from when it comes on TV until it ends, I don’t want to be reminded that pro wrestling is scripted entertianment. Simple as that.

        Forgot to add- I suffered through TNA last night and they pulled this same crap with Tenay and the other loser announcer. It’s so incredibly weak and transparent.

  4. DevastationInc says:

    I, for one, will never object to Kronik hair jokes.

    Anyway, in the midst of all this idiocy, I do remember one nice moment. During the wedding gown match, there was a shot of Daphne just having some cake with a big smile on her face. It looked like she was having a legit good time (and given what she was a part of, who could blame her?). And oddly enough, Schiavone’s call of, “Bless her heart” actually fit the moment pretty well. I’m not saying it was close to THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR SPORT or anything. But it was just something pleasant amid the chaos.

  5. Poopy Sean says:

    Daphne still works a couple of shimmer shows, I believe.
    They went about the “shoot” angle all wrong, trying to make smart mark Russo a face. If anything Russo’s whining and bitching about Hogan and his creative control and the ungodly amount of money he made in the NWO and the 0 money that all the people Russo pushed afterwards. Well he didn’t say the last two, but hindsight and all that. God knows that smarks like that can be the most annoying human beings on the planet. Hell, I’d pay anything for a PPV with HHH squashing half the people that post comments on 411mania.
    I actually didn’t mind the show that much. Most of it’s harmless goofy fun. The Russo stuff is just ungodly annoying and Booker T. winning the world title is just rigodamndiculous at any point in his career. At least they smartened up enough later to put it on Steiner who was over on looks and catchphrases alone.

  6. SpiceDawg says:

    Just for the record, Scott Steiner was supposed to be the face in his match against Mike Awesome, which is why he was being cheered and wrestling like a face. He turned face back in May, and even had taken Russo off the air in June, until this show, by giving him a Steiner Recliner. Mike Awesome and the Cat were both heels on this show, which again is why they were wrestling like heels. It is easy to be confused, since I believe both Awesome and Cat suddenly become faces the next night (since they had been feuding with a now heel Steiner). That at least is why you found that match dynamic so odd, because you were actually confused/forgot who were the actual heels and faces at this point.

    Which is easy to do, since there seemed to be a rule at the time that everyone needed to turn at least 3 times a month.

  7. Enforcer says:

    This was absolutely hilarious. I actually ordered this ridiculous show back in 2000. What a mistake. Keith, please post more rants of Russo-Era WCW stuff. Please. Might I recommend “WCW World Tag Team Champion Judy Bagwell” or perhaps “Judy Bagwell on a pole match.”

    Daphne is currently working on TNA as “The Governor,” a parody of Sarah Palin.

    • flair4dagold says:

      I actually also ordered this drek back in 2000 and i enjoyed reading the rant a thousand times more than when I actually watched it back in the day. I remember thinking how much I hated Russo for his rant, although worked. It was a perfect spot, if you wanted to go the shoot route, to have Booker or some other actual wrestler take the mantle right there. Instead, good ol’ Russo had to take the spotlight as usual.

  8. bignasty96 says:

    I also would like to disagree with Scott’s asseration that 95% of wrestling fans aren’t on the Internet or don’t follow wrestling online. I think it’s impossible to quantify how much about wrestling they read online or where, but a majority of wrestling fans go online to find out stuff about wrestlers. Whenever Yahoo! comes out with the top 20 searches of the month/year/whatever and WWE or John Cena pops up…that means they’re there.

    Now do they show up to sites like this or the Observer? Probably not. But when you have 15,000+ chanting “Christian!” at the Royal Rumble…I mean, where else would they know that? I certainly think in old-school wrestling hotbeds (like Detroit, NYC, really the Northeast and Flair country) those crowds tend to be smarter and know whats up.

    I think there’s a reason Vince McMahon hasn’t even told his creative staff what the WrestleMania card is and it’s not because he doesn’t know. He doesn’t want us to know yet.

    • -E- says:

      I’ve always thought it was weird that people assume most of the audience wasn’t and isn’t on the net or

      In 1996-7 and earlier I could agree but since 1998 pretty much everyone has been on the net. When WWF was at its peak there were signs in the audience at pretty much every show giving ads/shoutouts to Scoops or 411. Even people who weren’t actively reading up on wrestling themselves all had a friend in their group that was the designated nerd so pretty much everyone knew what was up.

      I’m sure there are a handful of people that are totally clueless but I bet the number is pretty small.

      • RW says:

        The number of clueless people that watch wrestling is probably higher than you think. At least here in Portland.

        Whenever I go to a show, I am surrounded by people that have no idea what they are talking about, and about half of those people think they are watching a legitimate sporting event.

        I keep expecting someone around me to be “smart”, or at least have a clue, but 4 shows in and no luck yet.

  9. Daveman says:

    I ordered this show back in 2000 and loved the hell out of it. Heck, I still do. There was very little about WCW between October 1999 and March 2001 that I did not like.

  10. fg76 says:

    Even with hindsight, I never liked what Russo did to Hulk Hogan here, and to some of the other “established” talent too.

    Maybe Hogan felt he was in a league of his own and could act like a complete sh-thead, but he was Hulk Hogan. There are still some people out there that would love to see him come back and wrestle Paul Sr. of American Chopters or something. I mean he has some value to conservative people out there that wants their world to stay the same and have nothing change.

    Hogan was raised in that mindset, and so some might consider him a true “dick,” its just more of his nature. I think deep down he loves to play the people. Its not totally like a Bret Hart who trully felt “it belonged to him.” Hogan kind of has a bi-polar nature where he feels “it all belongs to him,” but at the same time he knows better and tries any form of “publicity” to keep himself in the limelight.

    The theory at the time was because the “established” talent “didn’t want to play ball,” Russo just got rid of all of them to push “the real, held back talent.”

    I think if WCW had been a real company by the suits, and that a “rasslin” company, it might still be around today or at least lasted longer.

  11. JP says:

    “Strong recommendation to avoid?” What are you talking about, you used the word “Awesome” in this review about 10 times!

  12. Johnny C says:

    According to Russo, the problem was with Turner Suits. According to Russo, everything went down exactly as planned, but they fooled the Suits too well. After the show, someone said it was probably best he did that to Hogan, as Hogan was too expensive to use on TV, and they wouldn’t be using him again. Russo’s only mistake then was being too cowardly to stand up for Hogan, and THAT’S when Hogan stepped in with the lawsuit. Russo never “crossed the line”, Hogan was supposed to return all aggro, but the Turner people fucked it all up.

    Bischoff’s take was that the show was meant to end without a World Champion, and that Russo screwed Hogan(and everyone) when he booked Jarrett-Booker on the fly, and had Booker win the belt, thus making the whole thing look stupid. Apparently, no Booker-Jarrett, the belt is declared vacant and new champion is crowned down the line, with Hogan popping up and saying that HE’S the champion.

    You know this was a good show and a good angle though, because people are still talking about it 9 years later.

  13. Steven Louis says:

    Show was a train wreck, but an entertaining one, for sure. The Russo segment never bothered me, and it still doesn’t. And if I recall correctly, didn’t you initial praise it? Either way, it did no harm, and it was the first time Hogan got called out for his antics, on national TV. I wouldn’t call it a shining moment of genius, but it was entertaining.

    As far as the rest of the Card, the matches were pretty decent, and Booker T winning the title was a great moment. The crowd reaction when he won was off the charts.

    But anyone surprised by this, must’ve not watched WWF RAW or WWF PPVs in 1999. WWF was hot at the time, so it didn’t matter, but during that period, I’ll be damned if WWF wasn’t putting on a worse product than WCW for most of the time frame. Which in itself, is astonishing. 1999 might be the worst year ever in terms of quality product for the WWF, and who was the head writer? Yep.

  14. rwe1138 says:

    “… a three-ring circus taking place on the back of a train car, and the train derails and crashes into a giant 20 car pileup on the interstate.”

    That has to be one of my favorite metaphors of all time.

  15. s1owcheetah says:

    where have you gone Chuck Palumbo
    A nation turns its lonely eyes to you wuwuwu
    what’s that you say
    Mrs. robinson
    Chuck Palumbo has long left and gone away
    hey hey hey hey hey hey

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