Bret Hart V2?
“Hey Scott, I know I’m a little late with this but I just recently bought the
Bret Hart DVD and came up with what I hope would be a ideal listing for a
sequel, complete with dates and your star ratings. Anything you would add
or delete on this list?
(Note: I tried to find a Rougeau Brothers/Hart Foundation match but none’s
been released on Coliseum Video as far as I know, except for the Brother
Love as referee one which was funny but didn’t really show off how well they
could work together.)”
You wound me. You’re forgetting the obvious Coliseum video to check, namely the Hart Foundation one I just reviewed a couple of months ago. Shame!
Anyway, on with your list.
Bret Hart: Excellence of Execution Fantasy DVD Listing
- 09/14/85 Bret Hart vs. Dynamite Kid [1 of 1, no star rating given]
- 09/23/85 Hart Foundation vs. British Bulldogs [From Best of the WWF Vol.
7, no rating from you that I could find.]
- 04/28/87 Hart Foundation vs. British Bulldogs [2/3 Falls] [1 of 1, no
star rating given, "Really good match" you said.]
- 11/11/87 Bret Hart vs. Randy Savage [***3/4]
- 03/89 Bret Hart vs. Ted DiBiase [****]
- 08/28/89 Hart Foundation vs. The Brain Busters [****1/4]
- 08/27/90 Hart Foundation vs. Demolition Smash & Crush [2/3 falls]
[***1/2]
- 07/21/92 Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (ladder match) [****1/4]
- 10/12/92 Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (Hart wins WWF World Title) [****1/2]
- 11/25/92 Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels [****1/4]
- 08/30/93 Bret Hart vs. Doink the Clown & Jerry Lawler [****]
- 01/11/94 Bret Hart & Owen Hart vs. The Steiner Brothers [****3/4]
- 08/29/94 Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (steel cage match) [*****] [I know this
match is already on the Bloodbath & Heavyweight Championship DVDs but I
figure if 'Hogan Vs. Andre the Giant' can be on, what? 5-6 DVDs now? This
match deserves to be on three.]
- 11/17/96 Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin [*****]
- 02/16/97 Bret Hart vs. Vader vs. Undertaker vs. Steve Austin [****1/2]
- 07/06/97 Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Jim Neidhart, British Bulldog and Brian
Pillman vs. Steve Austin, Goldust, Ken Shamrock & LOD. [*****] [Can you
think of a better match to end a Bret Hart DVD?]
Extras: - 06/16/94 Owen Hart vs. The 1-2-3 Kid [****1/4]
: - 02/26/97 Owen Hart vs. British Bulldog [Finals of European
Championship Tournament]
: - 03/24/97 ”Respect” Bret Hart’s Speech on Raw
: - 03/31/97 Owen Hart vs. British Bulldog [No contest]; Bret
Hart reunites the Hart Foundation.
: - 07/26/98 Owen Hart vs. Ken Shamrock [Dungeon Match] [***]
: - 08/30/98 Owen Hart vs. Ken Shamrock [Lion's Den Match] [****]
Easter Eggs: - 1987 ”Bitch” Hart Foundation promo on the British Bulldogs
now being managed by Matilda
: - 1991 Pre-match promo with Hart Foundation before
Wrestling VII tag title match with the Nasty Boys.
: - 1993 Pre-match promo with Bret Hart Vs. Mr. Perfect
before semi-final match at King of the Ring 1993.
: - 1994 4 minute pre-match interview with Owen Hart
before Cage match (included on Bloodbath DVD too but what the hell.)
Whoops. you’re right, I did overlook the Rougeau match on the Hart Foundation tape. My bad, add that one too then, I guess, unless there’s a better one stored in the archives with less restholds. Maybe Bret could choose it, although I don’t know why he picked one of the weakest (IMHO) Bulldog/Hart Foundation matches to showcase on the first DVD when there were much longer and better ones available. He did pick a great Killer Bees match though…
The 3/89 DiBiase match is already on “Best There Is…”, so I’d drop that one. I’d also drop any match that appears on another “Best of” because people buy practically all of those. That would get rid of the ladder match, the cage match, and the ten-man tag.
I’d want them to also throw on the Bret v. Hakushi RAW match and the Bret v. 123-Kid RAW match. I’ve heard both are good, but I’ve never seen them. He also had very good matches with Jean-Pierre LaFitte on a couple of IYHs. One of those should make the cut. I really want a dvd quality version of the Steiners match, especially if they leave in the Gorilla/Stan Lane commentary. Their commentary makes the match feel like a true athletic competition.
The match with 123-Kid was decent but nothing great. The post match standing o by the announce team was funny though.
Whoops. you’re right, I did overlook the Rougeau match on the Hart Foundation tape. My bad, add that one too then, I guess, unless there’s a better one stored in the archives with less restholds. Maybe Bret could choose one, although I don’t know why he picked one of the weakest (IMHO) Bulldog/Hart Foundation matches to showcase on the first DVD when there were much longer and better ones available. I guess he had his reasons. Still, he did pick a great Killer Bees match…
“The 3/89 DiBiase match is already on “Best There Is…”, so I’d drop that one.”
D’oh! You’re right, for some reason, the lack of commentary fooled me into thinking it was a different match, I wonder why they cut out Alfred Hayes and Tony Schiavone commentary in the first place? Weird.
“I’d want them to also throw on the Bret v. Hakushi RAW match and the Bret v. 123-Kid RAW match. I’ve heard both are good, but I’ve never seen them.”
I found the Bret Hart v. 123-Kid Raw Match on YouTube. http://youtube.com/results?search_query=bret+hart+vs+123+kid&search=Search
Awesome. Thanks. I wish they would do more stuff like this today. Everyone knew that there was no chance that 123 kid was going to win the title, but they put him out there with Bret for 15 minutes and let them have a good match anyway.
They could totally use the established main event guys to work long matches with the low-mid carders. If handled correctly the low-mid carders would come out of it looking strong and the main event guys would not come out of it any worse. I’m thinking they could use more matches between upper-tier heels and mid-tier faces and give clean wins to the heels. That way the mid-carder looks good for hanging with a main-eventer, and the heel looks more dangerous. If he can win without cheating, then he will be even more dangerous when he cheats.
” “The 3/89 DiBiase match is already on “Best There Is…”, so I’d drop that one.”
D’oh! You’re right, for some reason, the lack of commentary fooled me into thinking it was a different match, I wonder why they cut out Alfred Hayes and Tony Schiavone commentary in the first place? Weird.”
I read somewhere that Bret asked for the commentary to be wiped as it focussed more on the upcoming WrestleMania V than the match itself.
It’s not like this DVD wouldn’t be awesome already but I do have a suggestion for a Bret/Owen match that often gets overlooked: The No Holds Barred match from RAW in February 1995 (I believe) would be nice to see again.
Yeah, I know the No Holds Barred RAW match is on a Coliseum tape I have from around that era and it’s pretty good. The time period is somewhere before WrestleMania XI, so I think February should be right.
It’s weird, the contrast between 12 years ago and today. Bret and Owen brawl back behind the curtain and the cameraman does not follow them back. They just disappear and come back out a few minutes later.
What about the Owen/Bret Ironman I’ve heard of.
The extra’s section seems more like the beginning of the best of owen hart dvd that we would all buy in a heartbeat. Given that idea, lets add on the michaels/owen match that princess just reviewed, some high energy tag team awesomeness, the owen/andvil vs orient express rumble 92, the owen/liger(i think) match that is floating around on youtube, any of the owen/bulldog vs furnas/lafon, the owen/jarrett title win, maybe owen/bulldog vs vader/mankind and as little reference to the blue blazer as possible, anyone else have matches to add?
As for using the upper card to build the lower card….thats just using too much common sense and logic. Why build for the future when the present mediocrity is carrying things along so nicely? I feel like ROh is doing this somewhat with matches like Delirious vs Roderick Strong and the rise of steen/generico, and the arrival of the chikara guys including quack finally getting his due, but thats all on a small stage even if it is the largest of the indie feds. I’ll officially say screw TNA, the promotion is officially worthless other than to give vince russo a job. In fact its amazing that TNA has made me care less about a lot of my favorite wrestlers than anything the E could ever come up with and trying to elevate anyone or even listening to the fans is completely going to be unceremoniously dismissed. But as far as the E actually using low/mid carders as more than jtts, its a nice dream, and I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you. The E will stumble ass backward into the next big thing, just like they did with hogan, austin, the rock, cena, and then will run it into the ground just like with the afformentioned names. It won’t change and if the rumors of wanting more physically imposing (re: roided up and untalented) wrestlers like dan rodimer are true, then it will be a damn long time before anyone is really truly going to be enjoying all aspects of the only national company that matters. Feel free to disagree, in fact prove me wrong.
I once thought up a 3 DVD set for Owen that I sent in to 411 for the guy doing possible dvd sets. The reformation of the Hart foundation has to be on the extras. The Owen/Bret V Steiners. His firts tag title win. One of the early Blazer matches. His match with Austin from SummerSlam. One of the Lyger matches. The one against HHH at Mania. The one against HBK at IYH. Def. the Dungeon match. His King of the Ring win. The Slammy’s wins HAVE To be on the extras. I haven’t seen those in years, but they were AWESOME!
I don’t agree with adding the Owen stuff, but otherwise this looks good. He must have had at least one good WCW match, other than the Benoit one, right? Right? Uh, I can’t remember any either.
Meltzer has a Bret v. Booker T match from the 2/22/99 Nitro at ****. That seems to be the only WCW match of Bret’s other than the Owen Tribute match that broke that barrier.
the first one that he had with Ric Flair in WCW was a pretty good match if i remember correctly but got put on the midcard of whichever ppv it was on.
What about his matches with Ric Flair or Curt Hennig in WCW? I don’t know how good they were but as I never followed WCW, I wouldn’t mind seeing them. Maybe one of his matches with Sting or DDP? Did he ever face Jericho in WCW?
The first match with Flair was good, so that’s one. The Sting and DDP ones weren’t as good as you’d think, and I’m not aware of a Jericho one.
Owen Hart should have his own DVD with some of his matches. I know some of them are in other DVD’s but who cares.
Blue Blazer vs. Mr. Perfect (WrestleMania V)
Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart (WrestleMania X)
Owen Hart King of the Ring Tournament ‘94
Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart (Steel Cage- Summer Slam ‘94)
Owen Hart & Yokozuna vs. Smoking Gunns (Tag Titles Match- WrestleMania XI)
Owen Hart vs. British Bulldog (European Championship Final- RAW ‘97)
Owen Hart vs. Rocky Maivia (Intercontinental Title Match- RAW ‘97)
Owen Hart & British Bulldog vs. Austin & HBK (Tag Titles Match- RAW ‘97)
Hart Foundation vs. Austin/Shamrock/Goldust/LOD (Canadian Stampede ‘97)
Owen Hart vs. Ken Shamrock (Dungeon’s Match- Fully Loaded ‘98)
Owen Hart & Jeff Jarrett vs. Shamrock & Bossman (Tag Titles Match- RAW ‘99)
That are some of the matches I can remember.
He had a decent match with the 1-2-3 Kid at a King of the Ring event, not to much the infamous match against Austin where he nearly broke his neck.
*mention
Wait…you want a sequel to the THREE DISC Bret Hart DVD set? What are you, insane?
Why does nobody ever metion the underrated classic in Bret-Backlund from Survivor Series 94 or his match with Piper at Wrestlemania VIII. Those are two of my favorite matches.
I think Piper/Bret was on the Piper DVD. I guess they’re saving the Backlund match for the 10 disc special edition of the Bob Backlund DVD we are all praying for. I don’t know, that match I thought was ok, but was kinda overshadowed by the Diesel squash that followed.
Yeah the Diesel squash basically killed that matches history alot. Bret-Backlund go 40 minutes and make it look like a LEGIT wrestling match with a storyline, and Diesel- Backlund go 8 seconds. FTW.